Obama the Twenty- First century American Marxist: My Election Choice

I have been on the fence between a third party and McCain. Up until two days ago I wanted to very much vote for a third party. I feel that if enough people voted for the first third party on the ballot it would be looked at as a no confidence vote. I really thought that it was the time to brake the political cycle. I do not look at it as a wasted vote. I look at voting for one of the two party persons as a wasted vote. Is, up til now, their been any real change,common sense, out of the box candidates? Obama fall into this category in the worst way.

Is he a Marxist? I have been finding Barrack Obama or trying to.

The answer. No, not in the 20th century, Stalin, kill millions, reeducation, work camp sense of the word. It seems more of a fuzzy, help the less fortunate at all cost, social justice, restrict everything until the only thing left is want he wants. An twenty- first century American Marxist.

He is most defiantly an ultra liberal with strong leftist leanings. And congress is on board if not driving the train.

Okay so Business is evil, employee free choice act, fairness doctrine, stifling of speech, shouting down fair points, calling everything racist, the reeducation of social justice and liberation theology, direct wealth redistribution, uh

gun regulation to get rid of all guns, global warming bs, fantasy green revolution, free heath care, free preschool, pay for college , pay for, free, !!, national security force, brown shirts?,uh

Pacifist or appeasement foreign policy, cut the military by 25 when it should be at least a 100% increase, Questionable Opposition to the nightmare leaders in the middle east, agreeing with the worst parts of European thought, I am not even sure where he is on the Muslin rights? crap in Europe, Uh

Multicultural suicide, the Gaul invasion (sorry the welcoming of the undocumented workers). Oh the Newsspeak(1984), sharing the pie, "he will never let you go back to the way things were, no media opposition.Uh

Restrict everything until the only thing left is want he wants. Cuba? Soviet Union? China? Didn't we fight a cold war for fifty years against this type of ideology? I still wanted find a way to vote third party. Then.

The death of freedom in one nice quiet move is possible. uh

I have a dream of a bright future, it hasn't died yet. But is far far closer to it's death than I thought possible in the United States of America.

A new darker dream is beginning to form. A dream of my name in stone just below the self reliant, individual patriot of the former United States of America that I was killed next to. One of many stones just outside the capital, burnt to the ground and buried. The White House replaced with the largest of all of the stones that dot the land in little groups from coast to coast. In small letters near the bottom:

In remembrance of the second revolution for freedom, may we never forget

May we shed no more blood over failed ideas of the extreme.

Some thing like that. My point I am as much as I don't want to be in the NObama camp.

Voting Against Obama Not For McCain. I, WE Have no Choice!

Obama getting Desperate, McCain getting Focused

The Pennsylvania attention is interesting. Obama is ahead there almost entirely from the support around Philadelphia, 2-1 support. I don't buy that in the suburbs. Evan if that is so, some of those people will move with the new focused message of McCain, even if it is still a little weak.

On the stump Obama, to me, to be losing the focused speech giving. Stumbling over word, the message seem a little muddled. Yesterday he was giving the McCain is Bush lines and said that McCain supported 4 out of 5 Bush budgets. Only 4 of 5, not helping your case. People are not Completely sold. Then he starts on he is worse than Bush. If you can't effectively sell the basic idea why would you go even farther? Desperation?

McCain is focused. Hitting the redistribution head on. Using the stand up and fight lines with the basic American ideas. The confident delivery and the stark contradiction between the redistribution and the American Ideas may be enough to move the masses.

I am going to stand with my McCain By 5

Cult Of Personality, Recognize Anything?

Not sure what this board is for but seems to do a good job on this subject.

The Cult of Stalin and Propaganda

"A cult of personality is the creation of a heroic or godlike public image through mass media and propaganda. Cults of personality are usually found in dictatorships and backward nations. The main reason to create a cult of personality is to obtain undying devotion of the people. When people started worshiping Stalin as a god, he was given ultimate power."

"There are 4 main ways Stalin’s cult of personality was created:

• Censorship of anything that might reflect badly on Stalin
• Propaganda everywhere - pictures, statues, continuous praise and applause, Places named after him
• Word of mouth: Mothers taught their children that Stalin was ‘the wisest man of the age’
• History books and photographs were changed to make him the hero of the Revolution, and obliterate the names of purged people (e.g. Trotsky)."

Race baiting? The constant deflection of questions? The last post? We have not gotten to the stage where they can use the last. They may never get there directly.

"Stalin deemed education to be a vital part of c being a communist, because if children are taught to be communists the brain washing is more effective. Stalin reformed the education system when he came to power."

I have not talked to much on the education non sense, but If your fair there is at least a strong tilt toward leftist views. They should cover the other points of view but don't. David Horowitz, for good or bad, gives a good description. (Unfortunately you need real player)

The kind of education Stalin did is exactly what we call reeducation.

"The Russian people shouldn’t be blamed for the atrocities that were that were made possible through their support of the regime and Stalin

Continues propaganda effectively brain washed and clouded their judgment

They truly believed that Stalin was unaware of the crimes on humanity that became so banal during his rule and though"

This is exactly my fear. We are there in sum respects. We are not killing people but if a leader can do not wrong what will they do.

This model was used in Germany, China(and still is, Did you see Koppel on Discover) and North Korea.

As always Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.

Obama's 1984 Kids

I hate to reference Orwell over and over but with my limited education I don't have a more appropriate example.



Where to begin?

Orwell, children where told in school and at every turn to inform on there parents for every infraction of any form against the government.

Kids know better?

Giving your grandmother attention just to get her to vote Obama. Wow i thought you talked to them because they are your grandparents. Hey, you might learn something.

Oh and lets threaten them to. I might have taken that tact to get them to see a doctor or take their pills maybe? but not very likely.

My parents are responsible for the decline of the US because they don't vote. (mine do actually
and registered long before I can remember) How about the political system in general? lack of real leadership across the board? And several hundred other thing on the list before people not voting?

13? have you even had much 20th century US history yet. Do you know capitalism, Marxism, the rise and fall of USSR, Jimmy Carter, Water Gate, and anything else that might have an effect? What about all the games that are played by politicians?

This comes from Obama The Talk, the recruiting page for the under age and under informed.

Pissed! How often do you see or hear of parents bow down to their children? grow a spine and put them in their place. When you know some history and understand a little more about how all this actually worked then talk to me. So be Quiet and go to school, not that that will help, when you turn 18 I'll listen If you have a point , good. Most likely I will have to correct all the crap that they learned and fill the giant gaps the just happened to be left out.



Found through: Obama Campaign Urges Kids to Have 'The Talk'

Going Again

Been gone not that anyone has noticed due to more computer problem along with a fractured leg in the family. After several boot rewrites and a reinstall or two it is fixed for good I hope. It looks like an IDE cable was bad and probably is what killed the last drive. So computer good and the leg seems to be getting there.

Not Marxist but a Liberal Super Majority

If your not buying into the whole Obama is a Marxist, which I understand, then there is a more reasonable and simpler version of really bad things to come.Not Marxist but a Liberal Super Majority

A Liberal Supermajority: Get ready for 'change' we haven't seen since 1965, or 1933.

The general idea is that you have a very liberal President, Obama ; a very liberal Senate with a possible filibuster proof majority led by Sen. Reid and a very liberal House majority led by Speaker Pelosi. They can pass just about anything they want. The hope is that they do just enough damage to get them all booted but not enough to have any lasting damage. Not very likely.

"In both 1933 and 1965, liberal majorities imposed vast expansions of government that have never been repealed, and the current financial panic may give today's left another pretext to return to those heydays of welfare-state liberalism."

Some of there issues are not getting to enough people

"The "Employee Free Choice Act" would convert workplaces into union shops merely by gathering signatures from a majority of employees, which means organizers could strongarm those who opposed such a petition."

"Huge chunks of GDP and millions of jobs would be at the mercy of Congress and a vast new global-warming bureaucracy"

"One early effort would be national, election-day voter registration."

This is being done with absentee ballots in some states now. there is no check before they cast a ballot that can't be identified and can't be removed if the person should not be registered or all ready has.

"A major goal of the supermajority left would be to shut down talk radio and other voices of political opposition."

Sounds a little socialist/authoritarian to me.

Deregulation, Fluidity or Europe's Influence

It is a shame that these discussion don't make it to the evening news.

Another 'Deregulation' Myth: A cautionary tale about financial rules that failed.

'As for the SEC, if commissioners took on a massive burden in 2004 without realizing they had signed up to safeguard the world's financial system, then they overreached. But they sure didn't "deregulate."'

Deregulation has never been no regulation, why does that claim get any traction. More regulation is not the answer less, smarter and simpler regulation is.

"Part of the answer is that, instead of a fixed capital ratio standard, Basel II uses mathematical models crunching historical data to determine how risky an institution's assets are and therefore how much capital it needs. For this reason, when the investment banks switched to Basel II in the middle of a housing boom, AAA-rated mortgage-backed securities appeared almost as safe as cash. Oops."

That is fine if you want to go that way but shouldn't there have been a baseline minimum no matter how good things looked? Is there a necessity to continue to make the market more fluid all the time? Set the rules and stop changing them all the time.

"Was Basel II a libertarian plot cooked up at the Cato Institute? Not quite. It was the product of years of effort by the world's major central banks, intended to avoid crises such as the U.S. savings and loan disaster."

Following Europe is always such a good idea. Don't they think very differently about the world then us?

Confucius Quote

What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others.

-Confucius

Question your core philosophy, find the answers and live with and test them for a few years. Then question them again. If honest in your latter years your philosophy will be beyond self-doubt.

-MLoger

Not Joe the Not Plumber

His name is Sam, okay he wants to be called Joe. fine
( link if the embed doesn't work)


He doesn't have a plumbers license in his state so he is not a plumber. WTF! What the hell are they laughing at. They didn't vet the guy? If the man can do the job and does it day in and day out then in my book he is a FREAK'N PLUMBER! He doesn't have a license ha ha. WTF.

AC360 is increasingly making me sick. I am hoping they name someone on the left in his top ten to blame for the financial mess, but not holding my breath.

Not a plumber
go use your 15 mins. to make you self some money little man and shut up. WTF

I would be more pissed but i am trying to keep it clean

Finding Barack Obama

I worry that I have a completely distorted view of Barack Obama. Is he really a socialist, Marxist, or communist. The last two would be very 1984 and harder to pin down. The first would be enough to off put most people, I hope.

I wonder if i read to much Conservative writing. Then I look at who he has worked with, what he has said and what he has done an I am back to how is he not losing by double digits. Put aside the skepticism and the partisan filters and look for a while.

I have tried not to link to the less credible and right wing talking points. Get a drink, sit, read and question.

Thank you to American Thinker for its continued collecting of thoughtful articles.

Start here with the overview

Why Obama's socialism matters

"It took Marx and Engels to carry socialism to the next level, in which they envisioned the complete overthrow of all governments, with the workers of the world uniting so that all contributed to a single socialist government, which in turn would give back to them on an as needed basis. Assuming that you're not big on individualism and exceptionalism, this might be an attractive doctrine as a way to destroy want and exploitation, except for one thing: It does not take into account the fact that the state has no conscience. "

This article is part 3 of 3 with foot notes and the like. Draw a different conclusion if you want but look at the source and decide for yourself.

Obama's Religious Ruse: The Cult of the Marxist Messiah

"For Obama, that "larger project" of his agenda is America's servitude to Marxist socialism, for which Christian verbiage can be made a tool of manipulation. As far back as 1995 Wright's disciple and Bill Ayers' protégé disclosed that to establish the "new age" of collectivist "salvation" will require compulsory "sacrifice" of Americans' liberty:"

Some of the connections in Obama's early days are a little sketchy. There is a link to a great post Obama, the Closer at NRO

Obama's Radical Revolution:Its Alinsky Root and Global Vision

"It was time for the radicals to change tactics, and follow Alinsky's advice. They remained convinced of their destiny to be the ones to bring the U.S.A. into the fold of the international socialist collective. They began to organize, go to law school, run for public office, whittle away at traditional American institutions, and in all ways prepare for "The One," their closer."

I am not for linking Obama to Ayers but some direct questions need to be asked of Obama not on his relationship with him but on what Obama thinks about specific ideas Ayers believes.

On Bill Ayers and small 'c' communists

"Now when your friendly neighborhood "small ‘c' communist" comes along, all smiles, and offering love and peace, we need to say just one thing: One Hundred Million. If that doesn't wipe the smile off their faces they are beyond human reach. By that act of willed ignorance they have exiled themselves from the company of decent people."

All that said there is not a crystal clear link to a socialist/Marxist view from Obama, just a very strong circumstantial case. Enough for me to run and hide if he gets in. Maybe he is just at the very collectivist/giant government end of the liberal spectrum. Then there is this.

Obama's Global Tax

"Senator Barack Obama's sponsorship of Senate Bill 2433 aligns with the emerging core theme of his general election campaign. The change he promises will bring much-needed relief, not just to America's victims of economic injustice, but to victims worldwide."

Liberals Rethink Free Speech

"Enter the Obama campaign, which reflects the new ethos. It twice issued "Obama Action Wire" alerts for activists to call a Chicago radio station and try to shut down appearances by two Obama critics, writers Stanley Kurtz and David Freddoso. No "chilling effect" here. CNN and the Chicago Tribune reported on the effort to silence Obama's detractors, but mostly by way of noting the Obama camp's tech-savvy mustering of its supporters."

Obama Wages War on Freedom of Speech

"If candidate Obama is willing to have people arrested when they say things about him that he doesn’t like, will President Obama have the vision or courage or understanding to stand up against the OIC when it demands restrictions on freedom of speech at precisely the same time that he wants to build bridges to the Islamic world and demonstrate his power to restore hope and bring change to old stalemated conflicts?

Obama's Toothless Second Amendment

"Obama's view is similar to that of Justice Stephen Breyer, who dissented from the Supreme Court's decision. Even if the Second Amendment protects an individual right to armed self-defense, Breyer said, that right has to be weighed against "other important governmental interests." And since a gun law like D.C.'s might reduce violent crime (never mind the lack of evidence that it actually has), the courts should yield to legislators' judgments about how best to strike the balance."

You want to see what the results of all this look to the U.K. It is NOT pretty!

SO? Huge government, redistribution of wealth, government knows best, social justice, heavy regulation of business (big business is evil), criminalizing speech and taking the guns away.

Only the Government can save you, not you or your neighbors or capitalism or your God, Only the government, the government is your family is your God. 1984?